The Journal Gazette and Indianas News Center had a large section of today's paper devoted to a poll conducted about a downtown stadium in Fort Wayne. Besides ignoring the larger scope involved with the entire Harrison Square development that includes a ballpark, there are a number of other problems we have with the way the poll was carried out and the results.
Poll backs downtown, not stadium
Ballpark called crucial to plans
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/news/local/16513264.htm
Some quotes from the article:
“If all you plan to do is build a baseball stadium, don’t do it,” [Mark Becker] said. “This is not just a baseball stadium.”
"City Councilman Tim Pape, D-5th, questioned the validity of the poll, saying even he might oppose a downtown stadium with the way the question was phrased"
“There would be nothing ever done in Fort Wayne if we did it based on the poll results,” [Sam Talarico Jr] said. “Leadership is about doing things in the face of opposition.”
"In the poll, stadium proponents said the ballpark would help the economy, bring life to downtown, provide entertainment for children and bring Fort Wayne a higher-level baseball team" - Very interesting, I'd like to know what they have in mind
"[Sam Talarico Jr] said he is often faced with opponents to Harrison Square, but after he explains that no general property taxes will be used, opponents begin to soften their position."
"“Immediately everyone thinks they’re going to be hit in their property taxes,” Talarico said. “We’ve got to do a better job explaining the background.”"
"Pape acknowledged the city does need better public education about the benefits of the entire project. He said the business community supports the investment but should more vocally express its support."
“To us, the stadium is a clear part in what will make this feasible,” [Jason] Freier said. Just building a stadium would not guarantee other development and revitalization would follow. Building in conjunction with the stadium – retail shops and condominiums are planned by Hardball – would take out the guesswork of whether a stadium alone would attract development and lead to the project’s success, he said."
"[Steve] Brody said years have gone by without significant private investment downtown and this would be a way to get millions of dollars in one project."
Poll results
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/16513544.htm
Asking whether or not a downtown stadium should be built is a flawed question. The Harrison Square proposal is NOT a stadium-only proposal. This was the wrong question to ask and it misrepresents the issue. The City Council will not be voting solely on a downtown ballpark, it will vote on the entire project, which includes the ballpark, condos, retail, a hotel, and a parking garage. The question should have asked about the entire Harrison Square development. Also, asking about the ballpark first before any of the other questions such as the importance of downtown revitalization is the wrong approach. You don't ask about a specific part of a downtown revitalization development before asking about the merits of downtown revitalization.
Only until question 9 does the poll mention property taxes, to which 62% said that no property taxes being used is very important. There is no correlation or mention of the fact that Harrison Square is not using property taxes. If this had been mentioned earlier along with the question about building a downtown stadium, even though it is a flawed question, what would the result have been? I'd be willing to bet that more people would be in favor of the project if they knew that no property taxes are being used.
The shopping and housing aspects of Harrison Square have indirect support, with 68% saying that more shopping is needed downtown and 44% (compared to 38%) indicating that more housing is needed.
The whipping boy received some more lashes, with 75% of people thinking that more parking is needed downtown.
Question 10 is another flawed question, asking if $5 million out of 30 for the ballpark from Hardball is enough while totally ignoring the scope of the entire project. Also, as mentioned before, naming rights can further offset public costs and increase private investment.
Methodology
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/16513530.htm
No calls were made to people who exclusively use cell phones and have no landlines. What generational group tends to use cell phones only? Younger people, such as students, young professionals, and singles. These are the types of people who would most likely be interested in downtown development, because that's what they're looking for: exciting, lively downtowns with the kind of urban living that appeals to them.
From the article:
"The original results oversampled respondents ages 65 and older and undersampled respondents ages 18 to 34. The weighting process assigned a higher value to answers from younger respondents and a lower value to answers from older respondents."
Hopefully the results were weighted properly.
Survey responders weigh in with ideas
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/16513293.htm
Some responses:
“Add recreational facilities for families.” - Harrison Square would include a public park
“A skating rink for the children.” - Been to Headwaters lately?
“Turn the area near the river into a park.” - Been to Headwaters lately?
“Add a family water park.” - Need an interested developer first
“They should focus on the surrounding areas before they work on downtown.” - Are you kidding me? The past 30 or 40 years has been about the surrounding areas. Focusing on the surrounding areas is what turned downtown into what it is today
“They need private enterprise to come in and risk their money.” - That's exactly what Hardball Capital is and why they're here
“They should address the traffic issues first and foremost.” - Is there a problem to address?
Sounding off on proposed stadium
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/16513284.htm
Some responses:
“We already have a good stadium in a good location.” - No. Just no. Visit some other ballparks. Baseball is a community sport, not a put-it-by-a-bypass-surrounded-by-a-parking-lot sport
“We have one already that resulted in a tax increase.” - It's a good thing then that we learned lessons from the one we have and that Harrison Square won't increase property taxes
“It’s being built in the wrong place.” - Memorial Stadium was built in the wrong place
“It would ruin the look of downtown.” - So a liquor store and a bunch of parking lots looks good for downtown now?
“If they want one, they should build their own.” - That's part of what this whole thing is about
Comments? Don't be shy, fire 'em off.
Sunday, January 21, 2007
Polling The Public
Posted by scott spaulding at 1/21/2007 08:54:00 AM
Labels: Downtown development, Feedback, Harrison Square, Sam Talarico, Tim Pape
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Wow..When I read the article this morning I did exactly what you guys did with your responses. I couldn't believe some of the responses from people I was reading. I think my favorites were the ones that said to add craft stores or an ice cream and fudge shop (i think those were the wordings of the suggestions....not positive). THOSE are going to revitalize downtown????? no.
I too question the complete validity of the survey. How did the last survey have 30 percent in favor of the stadium and now it dropped to 15 percent. With the announcement of the funding and plans for Memorial Stadium since the last survey, the "in favor" percentage should have at least stayed relatively stable.....but a 15 percent drop????? thats quite a bit. If both polls were done accurately, these numbers should have been much more close. Also, I completely agree about the undersampling of younger citizens. GREAT point about the cell phones too. I'm going to see what I can to look into this poll. keep up the good work
i'm really glad you posted this blog. hopefully it will wake people up and make them realize how important downtown Fort Wayne really is.
i think it would be important to implement more statistics and quotes of people, of all ages, in Fort Wayne. It might even be beneficial to construct a poll around the IPFW campus; since it's fairly close to downtown, and many of those students will probably be placed, or have their internships, in the downtown area.
just some suggestions.
thanks for doing this!
I both live and work in Fort Wayne. My wife and I have a coupleof hundred clients in Fort Wayne.
There is NO DOUBT at all that a majority of Fort Wayne residents oppose a new downtown baseball stadium...
NO DOUBT...
Mike Sylvester
So are you going to change your 7-2 Council vote prediction Mike?
Mike, I don't think that there is any question that a majority of people oppose the stadium. That was expected because most people unfortunately are resistant to change and are extremely uninformed on the topic.
My problems, as well as Scott and Brian's points, are that the younger generation truly can't have a voice in a poll conducted in households. Most of my friends who live on their own do NOT own a regular telephone. However, for me this isn't the biggest problem Mike. The biggest problem is the fact that there was such a tremendous decrease in those in favor from the first to the second poll. In no way, shape, or form, does this make any sense. If the second poll was correct, I truly believe that the first had mistakes. If you know political statistics, you would realize that a change like that says that there is some type of lurking variable. However, despite the poll, I still think the vote will pass council with a 7-2 vote like Mike said (possibly 6-3....depending on Hines)
Great job, Brian and Scott, for adding some balance to the discussion. Keep it up!
I must say I was sickened to read the polls results. Breaks my heart that people can't recognize a gift when their given it; can't get beyond stale misconceptions; can't open their minds to interesting possibilities. Aside from the unbelievably and unforgivably sloppy poll methodology, I'm stunned by the completely clueless comments included in the article! And then to hear Pat and Queen take offense to essentially being labeled ignorant by the city leaders? Well... if the shoe fits...
Guys, your responses to the "sound offs" is priceless! I'm sorry, but it shows, indeed, how the co-called "70%" doesn't have a clue.
@Mike: with no disrespect, I know you "have a clue" on one hand, but on another hand, "you haven't got a..." ;-)
I think the City Council will pass the Harrison Square Project. I now think it will pass either 6 to 3 or 5 to 4...
Mike Sylvester
Great Blog!
I'm glad you posted this, I didn't get much of a chance to read through the survey and the article, but from what I've heard from other people it seemed to put the Harrison Square project down quite a bit (from the stadium aspect).
I don't think people realize how important this project could be to the downtown revitalization efforts.
Now I was surprised to see the change in results in question 6, which confuses me somewhat.
But as for the stadium, I think that some people are still under the mentality that the funding for this project is still (for the most part) going to come out of their own pockets.
Also, I've heard many say "Why invest in a project that will only be used 6 or 7 months out of the year?" This leads me to believe that some of the public is thinking that this project will only be used part of the year, and that they're not taking into consideration all that will be included in this project. Such as residential units and retail space.
Honestly though, even with the strong opposition to the stadium, I do believe that the project will move forward without many problems.
The Downtown Times:
Do not worry partner, some of the cost of this will come straight from the General Fund of Fort Wayne.
The Parking garage will most likely lose between 1/4 and 1/2 million dollars a year. This money will come from The Fort Wayne budget...
Mike Sylvester
Okay. I have to ask again . . . how do you lose money on parking? Unless you give away too many free spaces to VIPs, I see no possible way to lose money on parking - let alone millions of dollars. I ask this in all due respect, because I really want to know the answer. Please educate me on this oft-cited observation.
I also wonder how the proposed parking garage would lose money. This wouldn't simply be a public garage for downtown workers Mon-Fri 8-5, but would provide parking space for 60 condo owners 24 hours a day/7 days a week. I could see monthly parking garage fees included in housing costs, which would help defray costs.
Add to this the fact that the garage could provide Lincoln and other downtown employees covered parking during the day and I would project not only a busy garage, but a busy downtown.
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